Interview: SouthEastern TalkingStick Podcast

At the end of the year on December 29 I was invited to speak on the SouthEastern TalkingStick Podcast with Anidohi CHRISTINA RR JXI and Chito Pa. It was a wonderful and freeing experience in that I was allowed to speak honestly and unbound for my son, murdered Indigenous rights activist and successful Land Back advocate, Muriyd Two Clouds Williams. For the first time, I presented to the public several photos of Two Clouds after he was (according to law enforcement) pulled from the Ramapo River bank which rests at the shore of the Ramapough Nation's religious grounds. The same land and water that Two Clouds secured for the tribe when he relocated there to fight for them and stop the illegal seizure of the property by the surrounding wealthy Polo Club HOA. The photos are evidence of the state of Two's' lifeless body as well as his clothing and lack of footwear.

I read from official town, county, and state documents that support the allegations I have been very loudly proclaiming since the day my family and I received the terrible news of my son's death: there was no accident, Two Clouds was absolutely, irrefutably murdered. The duo was visibly infuriated after witnessing the Truth, seeing the photos, and hearing part of an audio recording from when I and a small group of supporters confronted a man we are convinced helped steal our relative's life. In the recording the man (referred to as S1 in articles on this blog) is heard never denying our direct claims that he murdered Two Clouds. Instead he responded, "That's an accusation!" or "I want to know who's putting my name in their mouth!" yet never, "No, i didn't! I would never hurt Two Clouds!". Viewers came to understand what I have maintained for two and a half years. They joined Christina and Pa in declaring, "Justice for Two Clouds!"

We thank Creator for gifting us with the opportunity to expand our story to a broader community. Thank you Christina and Pa! We appreciate you, and look forward to working together in the future.

Nia:wen ki' wahi.

The full interview may be watched here:

M. Ansari 2025